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Broken Hunter Water Pipes on Ingall Street direct Correlation in Water Flows in Office

July 24, 2023

If you have been following our problem on mayfieldmines.com, you would understand that the abandoned mine network in Mayfield is full of water, and everytime extra water enters the network, it pushes the water out from mines under Maitland Road into our buildings.

In 2020, a Legacy Mines NSW Report suggested broken Hunter Water pipes on Clara Street Mayfield were a significant factor in water flows into our buildings. During their 4 month investigation, Legacy Mines were taking regular water readings inside the abandoned mines. Legacy Mines drilled a bore on Clara Street as part of their investigation. During their work they noticed that the street had recently been repaired, and after investigation, they found that a garbage truck has subsidence on the street exposing a Hunter Water leaking water pipe. After the pipe was repaired, the water flow significantly dropped.

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Clara Street – Hunter Water Repair

 

Professor Fityus suggested that water from broken pipes  is entering the abandoned mine network and flowing into our properties. He wrote;

Comparison of the date of the repair with the seepage flow data reveals a perfect coincidence between the date that the repair was made and the data that the seepage rate made a sudden reversal and began to decline rapidly. To assess the plausibility that the leaking main could be the primary driver of seepage flows in thehttps://www.mayfieldmines.com/broken-hunter-water-pipes-ingall-street-direct-correlation-water-flows-office/?preview=true area, the dial before you dig service was used to ascertain the nature of the water mains in Clara Street. It determined that the pipe was an old style cast iron, concrete lined pipe, approximately 80mm in diameter, and connected to a larger main at either end.

Based on the water pressure in the area and the length and internal diameter of this pipeline at the location of the break, it is estimated that when intact, the flow through the pipe might be quite low most of the time, and probably less than 60 litres/minute in most circumstances. However, if there is a complete break, and the break is supplied with water from both directions, the maximum flow in this pipe could be in the order of 600 to 1000 litres/minute. If the break is not complete, such as in the case of a leaking joint or corrosion hole, then the flow will be less than it is for a complete break, but it depends on how big the hole is. It is plausible, however, that the pipe could be leaking as much as several tens of litres per minute (enough to feed the observed seepages at #38 ‐ #44), without there being a noticeable effect on the local supply or the water leaving the supply system; that is, it could occur un‐noticed for an indefinite period of time.

Upon inspecting the site of the repair 2 days later, there was no evidence of any muddy outwash from the site of the break, however traces of clean construction sand were still evident around the margins of the hole, suggesting that water from the leaking pipe was lost into the ground and did not produce significant volumes of outwash at the surface.

 

Clara Street - Hunter Water Repair - Water Flow

Clara Street – Hunter Water Repair – Water Flow

 

In July 2023, there are many broken Hunter Water pipes in Mayfield East which are directly opposite our buildings. Recently, the MP for Newcastle, Tim Crakanthorp asked Hunter Water water to investigate the increased water flow into our premises that has resulted in new water locations within the internal buildings (here and here). Hunter Water found a number of broken assets. In this video, we show another example of direct correlation between water running and slowing/stopping in one of our buildings – this time, broken Hunter Water pipes along Ingall Street which we believing were feeding extra water into the abandoned mines, with water then flowing into our meeting room on the ground floor of 44 Maitland Road Mayfield. Once Hunter Water repaired the Ingall Street broken Hunter Water pipe, water stopped flowing from the wall cavity.

Filed Under: Hunter Water, Legacy Mines NSW, Mine Subsidency Advisory NSW, Newcastle City Council, NSW Government

Water is Flowing Harder in our Buildings

July 19, 2023

As we keep finding broken pipes along streets opposite us (here and here), water flows more strongly into our properties. Tonight, this is the water flow coming out of our meeting room wall in our office.

Filed Under: Hunter Water, Legacy Mines NSW, Newcastle City Council

Why are Old Legacy Mine Maps Kept from the Public?

July 19, 2023

Are old legacy mine maps kept from the public so that people do not fully understand they are in a mine subsidence district, or to minimise the amount of claims registered by home owners. During our discussions with home owners in our area, we found that many did not know that their properties were beneath a mine so they never fully understood why their wall was cracking or the garage subsiding. Then we also have owners who told us they applied for subsidence damage, only to be told they are not in the “zone of influence”. Lastly, we also have the situation on hiding the true costs of constantly repairing subsidence damage.

In areas such as Mayfield, we need an open and frank discussion about the waste of money and resources that relate to the old legacy mines, particularly;

  • legacy mine maps to be added to the https://www.planningportal.nsw.gov.au/spatialviewer/ website allowing homeowners to receive information about the old legacy mines that would include the year of mining, the map of the mining including depths/etc and any remedial work that has been completed. Since many of the maps date back to the 1800s, a non-guarantee in accuracy would be agreed to by users – we all use it as “best guide” but not 100% accurate
  • open and public record of mine subsidence claims. If people are worried about privacy concerns, then at least the street name, total claims, and total houses should be listed.
  • cross referencing with agencies such as Newcastle Council (road, kerb, stormwater, etc..) repairs, together with Hunter Water (pipe repairs) should be help with Subsidence Advisory for action plans to solve hot spots.

It seems to us that by keeping information secret from the public, Subsidence Advisory does not disclose the true cost of constantly repairing people’s homes, or roads, etc… And there is no public accountability for the costs to keep repairing public roads, sewer, Hunter Water pipes, stormwater etc…. in mine subsidence districts.

Its our money. Beside the issues on our properties, when we started looking at the overall management of legacy abandoned mines in the Mayfield and Newcastle area, we found a big problem where no agencies talk with each other, and all just handle the very minimum work needed to solve “today’s” problem. So when you look at streets which have 30+ repairs, or the same pipe system being repaired year after year, at what point should one of these government bodies take some responsibility?

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Mine Subsidence Mayfield

 

Filed Under: Hunter Water, Legacy Mines NSW, Mine Subsidency Advisory NSW, Newcastle City Council, NSW Government

Hunter Water Says Ground Water Causing Our Problems

July 19, 2023

In 2020, Legacy Mines NSW suggests broken Hunter Water pipes are a major contributing factor to water coming into our properties. Water from these broken pipes flow into the abandoned mine network, and because all the old mines are connected together, water then flows into our properties.

Recently, Declan Clausen (Executive Officer to the Managing Director) Hunter Water wrote to Tim Crakanthorp’s office;

“Hunter Water has undertaken extensive investigations to help identify the cause of water seepage. This has included extensive Active Leak Detection in Mayfield and Mayfield East, pressure testing of Hunter Water’s mains, and the deployment of data loggers within our network to identify potential leaks and breaks. To date, we have not identified an issue within our network that would cause the issue … is experiencing. It seems most probable that this issue relates to ground water and this historic mine voids in the vicinity of .. property.”

A short walk along high mine subsidence damage streets show many repairs on Hunter Water services with ongoing problems. How do you keep explaining that broken Hunter Water services do not have an influence on water in the mine network?

Today, we found water flowing out of a tree on Ingall Street Mayfield. We understand other services on Ingall Street have been repaired a number of times this year. We also found extensive damage on other streets.

Hunter Water was invited to a round table meeting to discuss mine subsidence in the Mayfield region. They did not attend.

Filed Under: Hunter Water, Legacy Mines NSW

Omara Street Mayfield – 30 Repairs and Counting…

July 19, 2023

We have taken a short walk opposite our building on Omara Street Mayfield. It shows a tremendous amount of asset/road repairs along the street.

Checking historic evidence, it shows that many of the Hunter Water services have been repaired many times over the years. Right now, it shows another repair service handled by Hunter Water.

Mayfield is in a high mine subsidence district. Hunter Water and Newcastle Council assets are continuously breaking with water then flowing into the legacy mines which them flows into our properties. There is extensive evidence (historic) about multiple problems in this area.

Both Hunter Water and Newcastle Council are ignoring requests to help with a solution for the overall problem (the legacy mines problems). Both agencies have referred us to look for a solution from the NSW Government’s Legacy Mines report on our properties – this report suggested broken pipes are feeding the abandoned mine network and this water flows into our buildings.

Beside damage to us, we have talked with a number of home owners who have subsidence damage on these same streets. The re-active (not pro-active) attitude of all agencies continue to waste our money – it keeps being explained to me, everyone stays in their lanes – when the road needs repairing, Newcastle Council will repair the road. It does not necessarily look on what has caused the problem, but they will keep repairing the same damage over and over.

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Filed Under: Hunter Water, Legacy Mines NSW, Mine Subsidency Advisory NSW, Newcastle City Council

New Water Flows into Our Building

July 19, 2023

Recently we had mine water coming into our electronics workshop at 44 Maitland Road nearest to our car park, effectively closing the last working space for electronic repairs.

We talked with Hunter Water workers who were taking water out of the hydrant and mentioned there was little water pressure. This Hydrant runs through our carpark.
In recent times, our brick steps, footings, wall, and older clay water pipes all broke due to mine subsidence damage in our carpark. This should be about 1 metre away from our broken assets.

We have lodged an investigation with Hunter Water who after few weeks, visited us and took a water sample. They then handled the test and contacted us that the water is not related to Hunter Water assets.

Please note; Hunter Water testing of water in mine subsidence districts is flawed. As early as 2011, engineers who worked on site acknowledge water tests performed on the water running into our premises will be tainted due to many factors that included hydrocarbons from water runoff from roads. In 2020, Professor Fityus (handling a Legacy Mines NSW report for the government) further wrote that water running through a coal mine will have a “cleaning” affect due to carbon and will not give accurate results to register fluoride, etc. Hunter Water is aware of this, having also received the Professor’s report.

At the time of the new water flows, Ingall Street Mayfield had a number of water leaks repaired. Our opinion is that broken Hunter Water assets are flowing into the old mines, and then this water is flowing into our properties.

We have tried to seal the concrete expansion joints and push the water to flow into a pool, then have a boat pump run constantly for the water to be pumped out of the building. We currently have 3 of these pumps running in our office location.

Electronic Workshop Flooding

Electronic Workshop Flooding

Electronic Workshop Flooding

Electronic Workshop Flooding

Electronics Workshop Water Pit

Electronics Workshop Water Pit

Filed Under: Hunter Water

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